Justin Bieber vs Toto: Coincidence? Let’s Compare

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Rick Beato

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In this episode we examine whether Justin Bieber’s writing team accidentally copied Toto’s song “Goin’ home”.
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Patrick Van Der Ploeg
Patrick Van Der Ploeg 38 мүнөт мурун
Yikes on the amount of blatant autotune in the bieber song.
Julian Igoe
Julian Igoe 56 мүнөт мурун
Rick what you have done is call beaver out for what he is. A talent less hack. Enough said.🤘🤘
Jerome Lund
Jerome Lund 4 саат мурун
It may be just me, but if you're go to for nuance, dissonance and creativity is Justin Bieber... you've chosen the wrong musical path.
FacheChanteDeux
FacheChanteDeux 6 саат мурун
They think they are so slick. Bieber's writing team are a bunch of semi-talented, narcissistic idiots. It sounds like the Bieber dolts stole part of a Chicago song too!
krolltheknight
krolltheknight 11 саат мурун
I wondering how they won’t get sued for it. Vanilla Ice had troubles with this as well.
Roger Huggett Jr.
Roger Huggett Jr. 13 саат мурун
Sounded like "Waiting for a star to fall"
FacheChanteDeux
FacheChanteDeux 6 саат мурун
I was thinking the same thing, it was playing in my mind!
damagecontrol60
damagecontrol60 15 саат мурун
Yes! Labels should let their artists write their own songs, great idea, and then, keep the integrity of what the artist contributed and if you need to polish it and make a commercial because you Gotta make money OK, at least you would come up with something different LOL
damagecontrol60
damagecontrol60 15 саат мурун
Rick do a presentation on Aimee Mann... she has some “sameness” to her material, BUT, for me... endless variation, consistent quality and integrity
Dante Mutti
Dante Mutti 16 саат мурун
Those song writing teams are not hired to make great songs, they are hired to make hits, if they could do it without the artists they would, sadly...
Alejandro D'Aloisio
Alejandro D'Aloisio 16 саат мурун
A totally complete rip off strategy IMHO. I love how almost always Rick shows that little smile... Like the ones so experienced and full of knowledge people do. (Sorry if my english it's imperfect)... Best channel ever.
MrRawalex
MrRawalex 20 саат мурун
First off, great burn on the autotune. It has become not only a crutch for singers, but a crutch for producers trying to keep a modern sound. They won't want the singers to do as good job because then there is no autotune to make it sound hip. There are limits to what you can do within this cord progression, and your are limited in many ways as to how the vocal melody can go over it. Sooner or later, you can be sure that someone will hit the same pattern. However, I think that every phrase is a chance to do something different, to take it different ways. It seems that the Beiber crew were not working it too hard, they got their sound and stuck with it, and that just happens to be exactly the same progressions and melodies. Sucks to be them, I guess, because this is the sort of thing that nastier people would file a lawsuit over, and possibly win.
Lars Levin Berget
Lars Levin Berget 23 саат мурун
Hey, Rick, I would have made a video on this myself...if I had listened to Justin Bieber, but I don't.
dean morgan
dean morgan Күн мурун
Wow its hard to split the songs,
Goto10
Goto10 Күн мурун
Strip It Down by Luke Bryan and Shake It Off by Taylor Swift match up nicely in many places when adjusted for time
John ThreeEighteen
John ThreeEighteen Күн мурун
Bieto, bieber and toto, discovered by beato, what a coincidence.
Tim Brock
Tim Brock Күн мурун
Justin’s song was Well produced by Toto
greg charles
greg charles 2 күн мурун
and to think My Sweet Lord strarted the whole rip off the song debate, at least i think it did. I play blues so i intentionally rip off my heroes every day, i make no qualms about it i want to play and sound like BB, Albert, etc etc, with a twist here and there, but then all blues pretty much folows the same patterns more or less and i never tire of it. that said for rock wouldnt it be great to hear some variety, Strawberry Fields, Imagine, tight harmonies like on Because, hard rocking Stones or Zep, just someting to make it worth while to turn the radio back on, which i gave up on. Ah but Tedeschi Trucks Band and a few other non houshold names are killing it, why they can get on the popular stations?
Callum Bush
Callum Bush 2 күн мурун
Sue
TheVeganBerkeleyBeauty
TheVeganBerkeleyBeauty 2 күн мурун
That anyone would think Beiber should be in the same sentence as Toto, is out of their minds. Clearly he stole the joint and should pay up. Point blank, PERIODT!
onesyphorus Ὀνησίφορος
onesyphorus Ὀνησίφορος 2 күн мурун
I don't know whether to laugh or be scared
G Raz
G Raz 2 күн мурун
Oh no!! I could here it instantly. You could probably plug in 20 songs but this is too close
Primitiverock Magazine & iRecords
Primitiverock Magazine & iRecords 2 күн мурун
You should listen to New Christan song AMEN by KING AND COUNTRY. I SWEAR its the same SONG STRUCTURE as HEY BABY by NO DOUBT. Not exactly the same. instead of Hey Baby they sing Amen. weird.
Richard Larmour
Richard Larmour 2 күн мурун
I hope that one day I will write a song for a group of 9 to poach.
ljummingen
ljummingen 2 күн мурун
A lot of Andrew Watt songs has an 80s vibe, he worked on Miley Cyrus Plastic Hearts and Dua Lipas Future Nostalgia, Take What You Want by Post Malone
The Court Of Public Opinion
The Court Of Public Opinion 2 күн мурун
Hahahah it’s totally stolen lol 😂 Justin stay giving all people named Justin a bad name 😂
Marc Ecclefield
Marc Ecclefield 2 күн мурун
This is a perfect example of how pop music today is being produced for an audience that either doesn’t know what true creativity is anymore or doesn’t care. These producers know that they can produce music that follows certain tried and true formulas and it will still sell. The music isn’t as important anymore as the singer him/herself. Essentially, it seems they are the “product” not the songs themselves. Justin Bieber is actually a decent singer. Nevertheless, he is Autotuned to the point that his original vocal performance is more or less being performed by software. Even “live” performances are pre-recorded these days and most people don’t seem to know or care. But that doesn’t matter as long as the audience knows that it’s Justin Bieber or any other “pop star” these days. It seems that as long as the backing track sounds familiar enough and is produced well, being creative with music theory isn’t as important. Pop music production today really makes a sincere effort to take the KISS (keep it simple, stupid) approach because it’s safe and it’s virtually guaranteed to sell. Most pop music can be produced entirely in the computer using sequencing and that’s more or less what today’s audience has come to expect. Just like major blockbuster movies. It’s all about what can produced by clicking mice vs. writing solid scripts and original stories. One is much easier (and much cheaper & quicker) to produce than the other. There just seems to be a reluctance to move pop music forward creatively. The other issue is the compartmentalism that has been taking place in music these days. Many people seem to be listening to “their own” genres of music. There’s so many more avenues to seek out different kinds of music then there was in the past. Long gone are the days of limited radio channels and a sense of a general community around certain kinds of music or artists/bands. Nowadays, there seems to be a music genre for every individual’s taste and I think people looking for more creativity will often listen to genres outside of pop.
Kai Florian Mehrländer
Kai Florian Mehrländer 2 күн мурун
If you want to discover an unbelievable copy, listen to Ray Wilson - Constantly Reminded and Mother‘s Finest - Tears of Stone.
G-No
G-No 3 күн мурун
Will u talk about The Weeknd stealing Rod Stewart or A-Ah ?
loveanianimeme
loveanianimeme 3 күн мурун
Billy Strings just won a Grammy for his album Home, Listen to Billys song “Taking Water” and the song “Nellie Kane” by Hot Rize 🧐🤔
Guitar Jesse
Guitar Jesse 3 күн мурун
When you started talking about 9 writers and still coming up with a generic progressions, I literally yelled “preach it!” And my wife laughed :)
D Rudder
D Rudder 3 күн мурун
EVERYTHING is derived. Remember when Stevie Nicks told us she derived a new song from a Tom Petty tune? We are all connected.
Darkanentertainment
Darkanentertainment 2 күн мурун
Yes true, she even used Little Ref Corvette for Stand Back and Prince used Faithfully for Purple Rain. The ONLY difference is that those rock icons reached out to each other and involved each other, even asked permission.
Anand Balivada
Anand Balivada 3 күн мурун
Lol they may not have even copied Toto with relatively such few possibilities that exist within the standard 4 chords (12*4! = 288 chord progressions; so every 1 in 288 songs has the exact same chord progression), relatively restricted tempo range (like adagio to allegro), and of course, the number of melodies that fit a particular chord progression and are suitable for 'pop' (pentatonic scale; with say an average of 4 notes sang per chord in the progression would be 5^4 = 625). So for every 288*625 = 180000 songs we might get something similar xD. Now obviously the above is an awfully simplistic analysis and the number 180000 can be lowered due to people being consciously or subconsciously being influenced by music they've heard.
ALL lives Matter
ALL lives Matter 3 күн мурун
Lizard boy has zero talent.
Memories Fading
Memories Fading 4 күн мурун
I think understanding how you break free of the cages of a single key within a song is where the real magic happens. Radiohead has a film composer in the band. Soundtracks are the kings of modulation. listen to anything by john Williams, Bernard Herman, Danny Elfman etc.. those guys fly around keys like magicians. That's how to create drama. It's doesn't guarantee an amazing song, or piece of music, but really, Radiohead really are one of the only "popular" bands that do this. Japanese pop/ rock writing actually tends to follow the beatles' passing chords a lot (diminished chords and stuff; like Jeff buckley did also) i have a feeling the japanese peoples love of the beatles, as well as jazz, and having famous "popular" composers like Ryuichih Sakamoto, Joe Hisaishi etc, within the acceptable realm of 'popular" music, are contributing factors. Fucking Japanophile geek lol. BTW, the Justin track sounds like something some mega church would put out; makes my skin crawl. The donkey is the horse designed by committee.
damagecontrol60
damagecontrol60 15 саат мурун
Well expressed! I love Japanese pop and video game music, too... Beautiful classical, pop, and jazz influence all blended together
ehlerhog
ehlerhog 4 күн мурун
Wow it's like the first Monkees album.
ehlerhog
ehlerhog 4 күн мурун
I hear the dreaded auto tune in Biebers voice all over the place. Thanks for pointing this out even though I could care less really, but it shows the true farce that is in a lot of todays music.
Paul Hoffmann
Paul Hoffmann 4 күн мурун
Bieber stole a song? Surprise.
gs032009
gs032009 4 күн мурун
Rick, I don't have to be a music expert to notice there is more than coincidence. You're being nice, you know, better than we do, that there is plagiarizing. Why isn't this Bieber, whoever he is, in court, for breach of copyright??
TheUpstateIdiots
TheUpstateIdiots 4 күн мурун
Mad world, gone away by the offspring, and a seether song all mash up as well. There's a version on youtube. You're welcome
King Of the dots
King Of the dots 4 күн мурун
I've listened to so much music because of Covid that I'm noticing similarities in hundreds of hit songs in the 60s and onward ...Beatles ...Hall and Oates ..Boston ....Stones are Clean
abcchede
abcchede 4 күн мурун
similar thing happened with ‘ best song ever’ by one direction with baba o’riley. Who’s manager said no probs and never was a big deal. So i guess it depends on the defending team’s desire
Weston Badke
Weston Badke 4 күн мурун
The Police as well. 4th album And 5th were what put them on the map!
Sam Baker
Sam Baker 4 күн мурун
It's also Shenandoah
Ghost Town Sound
Ghost Town Sound 5 күн мурун
Rick needs to use reverse psychology about pitch correction. The kids aren’t listening!
J Z
J Z 5 күн мурун
I have a feeling the guys from Toto will be added to the song credits of the Bieber track very soon
Matthew Fogle
Matthew Fogle 5 күн мурун
Toto is amazing...but their song didn't chart anywhere except in Germany where it charted 99 (Wikipedia). Even though they overlap here, the songs sound really nothing like each other. Closer to coincidence. I'd say shrug your shoulders and move on folks.
Michael Schneider
Michael Schneider 5 күн мурун
We're being overly conditioned to such pitch correction in preparation of solo A.I. performances. No human talent needed. Have you heard about AI created songs by deceased artists? Check out "The Lost Tapes of Club 27." Crazy, man. Writing songs by committee, producing toward the broadest tastes, packaging for consumer exploitation...it's a different world man.
Ronald I
Ronald I 5 күн мурун
Toto was playing in the elevator to the studio.
MII
MII 5 күн мурун
I have no idea what in hell he's talking about. lolololo
Maarten van der Poel
Maarten van der Poel 5 күн мурун
04:45 Sorry Rick! Have to disagree: Ennio Morricone is the greatest film composer of all time!
Manuel Saenz
Manuel Saenz 5 күн мурун
Bieber: Surely no one will notice this song is Goin Home by Toto... Beato: Not so fast, kiddo.
Sin with Sebastian
Sin with Sebastian 5 күн мурун
Nine songwriter that is a joke ... Let’s not beat around the bush, the Justin Bieber song is a copycat song. For me the best songs are written by one or two people. When you have nine people involved they are not actually riding together these are favours being done, quid pro quo
stayonpoint
stayonpoint 5 күн мурун
I'm wondering if your recent copyright strike might be bc you ruffled the feathers of a large producer that's work sounds remarkably similar to another work. hypothetically speaking
Juicy Dru C
Juicy Dru C 6 күн мурун
Thats a little close for comfort if ya ask me. I can't believe no one caught that in team bieber.
Casey Moo
Casey Moo 6 күн мурун
Remarkable similarity
Pete Roberts
Pete Roberts 6 күн мурун
The correct title should be :Justin Bieber vs Toto vs Boy Meets Girl - Waiting For a Star to Fall: Coincidence?
Christopher Buckley
Christopher Buckley 6 күн мурун
Why work at it when you've got auto tune??? That'd be waaay too hard!
dbb124
dbb124 6 күн мурун
Who is this Jason Berber fellow? Never heard of him
A
A 6 күн мурун
I agree with everything in this video except for artists seemingly always needing to put out 2-3 albums in order to make their best record. For example, consider Van Halen, Rage Against the Machine, Guns N Roses, Pearl Jam, Boston, The Doors, Ozzy, Jimi Hendrix, Motley Crue, Ratt, Tesla, the Black Crowes, Boston, Beastie Boys, etc. I know the production level of first records is often lacking but the rawness and energy is often not. I also prefer Led Zeppelin 1 and 2 to 4 and prefer a more aggressive, raw, early U2 than what they have produced over the last 7 records or so. As for Toto, to me, Hold the Line is their best song and it is off their first album.
New Jersey Exposed
New Jersey Exposed 6 күн мурун
It's all about money. Young people haven't been around long enough or heard 30-40 years of music so maybe safe tried and true chord progressions are new to their ears?
Ruff On Stuff
Ruff On Stuff 6 күн мурун
There are many artist that copy the melody of older songs. This seems to be popular because my ear heres it way more than people would want to admit. This last decade has made mostly lazy people that make music will almost plagiarize a popular older song to string along the money flow and clout to them. I would go to say less than 25 percent of people are independent thinkers. Others blindly follow the trendy
James Wallace
James Wallace 6 күн мурун
The verse actually also bares a strong similarity to the prechorus to the "Five" song "Keep on Movin'", which I believe was released the following year!
Ja Dor
Ja Dor 7 күн мурун
Think its simple Rick. The pop industry is pushing towards an 80s resurgence. The music is also more disposable than ever, not because of kids and video games, but because of streaming and digital, the model has changed and so has manipulating it. Eveything needs to come out fast. Singles get dropped month after month but a full length never materialises. Edit- 80s electro was big in the underground for quite a while, synthwave and all its variations harkening back to the 80s. I think that the underground has much more impact on mainstream than it has ever been credited for. Pop producers scour underground music and follow trends to beat their competitors to the 'new' sound.
The Sal Inski
The Sal Inski 7 күн мурун
Both songs are insipid crap.
Mark Concha
Mark Concha 7 күн мурун
The autotune is defining! "... I can't remember if I cried..., the day the music died"
Blinkers Gaming
Blinkers Gaming 7 күн мурун
"Don't y'all think this outlaw bit is done got outta hand!"
Nick Mahon
Nick Mahon 7 күн мурун
They probably saw the 35th anniversary gig in poland, on KGglobal, going home was 2nd, or 3rd song. Amazing performance
Chris e Lincoln
Chris e Lincoln 7 күн мурун
Cool comparison thanks for the insight to better song writing!
puffnpluky76
puffnpluky76 7 күн мурун
Rick! You need to take an in depth look at Mushanga by Toto from The Seventh One. In my opinion, it is the epitome of all the excellence Toto created throughout the years. Absolutely incredible song writing and amazing performance from all band members. Especially in the rhythm solo section
Bill Graper
Bill Graper 7 күн мурун
OMG, the autotune thing. For some reason, people think it sounds cool & they do that intentionally. Justin Bieber doesn't need autotune. It's just them being "creative." This actually isn't that bad as far as autotune. I worked with a guy who only listens to autotuned songs, and they are HEAVILY autotuned. I swear after a while, it literally makes me feel sick to my stomach. If all music was like that, I would probably not be the music fan that I am today. As for this melody, I think it was intentional plagiarism. Both songs sound great, but give credit where it is due.
Omar Randall
Omar Randall 7 күн мурун
Autotune and Beibs is a no no, way too much talent
Rob Soul
Rob Soul 7 күн мурун
Nothing wrong with using same chord progression (no one owns chords) now the melody and arrangements shouldn't be so similar i give you that
elvisleeboy
elvisleeboy 7 күн мурун
This video is a huge blessing to those of us who have found ourselves in the unwilling and inexplicable position of enjoying a Justin Bieber record, despite every fibre of our bodies fighting against this shameful admission. We now know that what we enjoy about these records has nothing to do with Justin Bieber himself. Another example is the song Love Yourself, which simply recycles the chords of How Deep Is Your Love. Just for the record though, I have no problem with this, as many great songs are based on others (talent borrows, genius steals), but it does seem more deliberate and more of a cheap factory process and far less to do with artistry. It would not be so bad if the lyrics were not so cliche and generic.
T3B_04_Jassim Shaji
T3B_04_Jassim Shaji 8 күн мурун
❤️right sirr
Jason Anctil
Jason Anctil 8 күн мурун
9 writers on a song??? Are you kidding me.
Jason Anctil
Jason Anctil 8 күн мурун
Awesome video. Let these musicians develop and drop the autotune, please!
Arturo Marquez
Arturo Marquez 8 күн мурун
What's that keyboard you're using
Ken Long
Ken Long 9 күн мурун
Your spot on and im just a listener and Fan of GOOD Music, so called artists and producers are all about money and selling "new" music to the average younger listeners, they don't think about writing real music, like from the 60s 70s and 80s, they don't write m like that anymore ...😉
Taylor Jenkins
Taylor Jenkins 9 күн мурун
I knew I heard that song before!
Fernando Acedera
Fernando Acedera 9 күн мурун
but they also sound exactly like Robbie Williams’ “Angels”!
JerrBear74
JerrBear74 9 күн мурун
Well Justin isn't a "rock star" so he obviously doesn't know how to control his voice like a true rocker
Amber T.
Amber T. 9 күн мурун
while they were playing together, it sounded a lot like waiting for a star to fall. anyone else hear that, even knowing what we were supposed to be hearing?
Another Voyager
Another Voyager 9 күн мурун
I'm sure top pop producers know well their target audience, and they know that the huge majority of people that listen to those pop songs never listened to the original one and probably never will.
Johan Vorster
Johan Vorster 10 күн мурун
Thanks for a very interesting song comparison. I am a big fan of Toto. You skillfully heard the resemblance between two songs from different eras
Zero Point Productions
Zero Point Productions 10 күн мурун
Amen to the annoying overuse of auto tune in pop music!
cheryl hinneburg
cheryl hinneburg 10 күн мурун
Every time I write something, I question myself. "Did I hear this in my youth"?
Joseph Pembroke
Joseph Pembroke 10 күн мурун
doesn't feel like stealing was intentional here, but as Toto I'd hit them up for royalties.
Rawlinson Furtado
Rawlinson Furtado 10 күн мурун
This chord progression overused in today's songs just get me bored. As Rick said, "a waste of resources and creativity",
Cotronixco
Cotronixco 11 күн мурун
Good stuff. There are only 12 notes. Total. Starting as a kid in the 70's, I used to make lists of songs that I wanted to stack together. Now with PC's maybe I should do it. A few that come to mind (not verified) are ( I found a list): Go Your Own Way & Sultans Of Swing Maneater & Part-Time Lover Girls Just Wanna Have Fun & Hit Me With Your Best Shot Neon Moon & I Only Wanted You Keep On Loving You & Until The End Of Time Heart Like A Hurricane & That Ain't My Truck Long Cool Woman & Daddy's Money & Cinderella Long Lost Friend & 3 Wishes I Miss My Friend & You Still Move Me Sweet Caroline & I Love The Flower Girl Madonna - Lucky Star & Mary Jane Girls - In My House Congo & Got to Let It Go Amy-I love You & On The Other Side Caribbean Queen & Billy Jean Take the Money and Run & Sweet Home Alabama Down Under & Born To Run Free Bird & Show Me The Way Steal Away & What a Fool Believes Long Run & Don't Mean Nothin Never Be The Same (guitar solo) & Only Yesterday (sax solo) Manfred Mann - Doo Wah Diddy Diddy & Best Friend's Girl You Ain't Seen Nothin Yet & Borderline Madonna
Jerry Bridges
Jerry Bridges 11 күн мурун
Do you make more acting as Bosch or do you rake in the dough from this gig?
Techious
Techious 11 күн мурун
I was wondering why recent versions of Anyone sounded different from the initial release. It makes sense now.
Drew The Underground
Drew The Underground 11 күн мурун
It's the same song. I'm a producer, writer, I do close calls all the time accidentally. It's not just the chords you can hear the reverb was purely intentionally trying to imitate Toto.
Roger Furer
Roger Furer 11 күн мурун
I gotta disagree about U2 "Boy". The first time I ever heard U2 was at a party in 1980 and someone played "I Will Follow". My lead singer and I looked at each other and said "who is that?" It was a song that stood out from everything else that was played that night. I still like it. You should listen to it again.
Cta2006
Cta2006 11 күн мурун
When it's this clear, they should be sued ! Why aren't they ? This is stealing , plain and simple !
Nelson Lighthouse
Nelson Lighthouse 12 күн мурун
Why?... because they're talentless and have to steal to eat.
flappy188
flappy188 12 күн мурун
wld luv 2 work with you!
Zzzzzzz
Zzzzzzz 12 күн мурун
Justin Bieber is so horrible. Why would song have 9 writers. Steve, sue the Bieber
Libby Reed
Libby Reed 12 күн мурун
Is this called sampling or stealing?
Bacon With Beau
Bacon With Beau 12 күн мурун
What a little bastard. Lol.
TS
TS 12 күн мурун
I love that you do this... People always call me crazy for finding similarities between two songs that don't seem connected at all. I consider it a weird tic of mine but I'm happy to see someone successfully utilize that towards educating others 😊
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