Algorithms for Musical Listening | How They Know Your Taste

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Rick Beato

24 күн мурун

I this episode I check out what songs and playlists Spotify thinks I'll like. I must have some pretty weird musical tastes by the looks of it. I discuss how I think the Spotify algorithm works.
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Caleb denyer
Caleb denyer Күн мурун
The basketball clip was unexpected and amazing hahaha
Zengoki GYH
Zengoki GYH 2 күн мурун
Honestly it seems his leg shaking tells you how much he likes it
Pat S
Pat S 4 күн мурун
A S A P Ferg
Gibson Devens
Gibson Devens 4 күн мурун
A lot of EDM has long intros to give DJ’s time to mix it in
aLOYSiUS iNC 4 күн мурун
It looks like Rick May have had some strong coffee that twitchy! 😄 Keep pumping out the good content, bud! 🎸
John S.
John S. 5 күн мурун
So what you're saying is that you can listen to identical godawful voice distortions for hours on end because you dig the chord progressions? I like your taste in old music, but your taste in new music is atrocious.
Greg Lopes
Greg Lopes 7 күн мурун
Hey Rick, have you ever noticed the section “fans also like...” on Spotify? Then, maybe you noticed some kind of pattern, or how some stuff seems to not even be based on true listening habits, but on how some people are put (even when they don’t fit) into specific groups, maybe some association of names? Like... less about sonority and more about... who really knows?
Tim Gray
Tim Gray 8 күн мурун
Go to a U of Wisconsin football game at Camp Randall Stadium. Jump Around is played between the 3rd and 4th quarter. It is an awesome experience! There are scores of videos on YT showing this.
BK Binj
BK Binj 8 күн мурун
Paranoid, tin hat voice: Your phone is always listening.... That's why "Jump Around" was recommended.
Fidan aay
Fidan aay 8 күн мурун
Jenevieve's Baby Powder sampled an old City Pop song by Anri called Last Summer Whisper! I knew I recognized it, wow!
chondriacoos 8 күн мурун
What do you think of TIDAL ? I personally think the audio quality is better thaï Spotify
Guitars,cats, and music
Guitars,cats, and music 9 күн мурун
A SUS chord that sounds... Different, what did you think I was gonna say?
Tarun Nagarajan
Tarun Nagarajan 9 күн мурун
I would have been the cool kid at school if u were my dad Rick🔥🔥
Jeremy Thomas
Jeremy Thomas 9 күн мурун
Lil Urzi Vert 😂😂😂🙌🏿
Danieltsss Blackmouth
Danieltsss Blackmouth 10 күн мурун
You know i dont like any of these songs at all maybe the last one was kinda ok but i love when he does this videos so next time someone ask me about this crap i can kindly tell them in a polite way the flat6 is kinda nice but the intro was too long, those trap hi hats are decent tho...
Justin Reed
Justin Reed 11 күн мурун
Rick’s first time hearing an extended mix of a dance track, I’m assuming.
Madhav P
Madhav P 11 күн мурун
Rick should try listening to modern rock kinda playlist
markguitar 11 күн мурун
Chris Cudnoski
Chris Cudnoski 12 күн мурун
...had to pause vid and check out my own recommendations...
Jennifer Buehler
Jennifer Buehler 14 күн мурун
I don't think they recommend based on an algorithm but on who's paying $$$ to be promoted
Robert Huet
Robert Huet 14 күн мурун
Trash songs that I never listen, sorry Rick.
Grogu Thw88z
Grogu Thw88z 14 күн мурун
Welcome to a Music Teacher and Educator’s life of “MADE PLAYLISTS by SPOTIFY” 😎
Diego Andrade
Diego Andrade 15 күн мурун
Hi Rick, I think the way the algorithms works the best is within the weekly discover list. There are the suggestions, not a gathering of songs you've already heard.
Enrique Flores
Enrique Flores 16 күн мурун
The Pineapple Thief please!
Justin Ulibarri
Justin Ulibarri 16 күн мурун
Been enjoying the top ten videos! Have you thought about checking out the top ten on Bandcamp? It's been a blessing for independent artists during the pandemic with their Bandcamp Friday's (where the revenue share is waived)
J.R. Kinnard
J.R. Kinnard 16 күн мурун
So R&B isn't a thing anymore?
WhoAreThesePeople 16 күн мурун
1:34 'it's not bad' How nice of Rick, when ya know He Knows it's total disposable garbage.... And I'd like to see Rick 'make a sandwich' to Jump Around
James McKinley
James McKinley 16 күн мурун
check out google "start radio" too
the cellulon triptometer
the cellulon triptometer 16 күн мурун
Why is it that so much of this sounds the same to me in an underlying basic way? It's like they are all using the exact same set of instrumental settings coupled with vocals with very little differentiation. Most of all, I am not hearing anything really catchy.
Jeff Paradise
Jeff Paradise 16 күн мурун
Most Spotify recommended playlists are pretty easy to figure out why they chose the songs. The one that blew me away though, is a couple of years ago they came out with one called "Time Capsule" and it was literally my 17 year old self's playlist (I'm 45) and there was stuff on there I loved in the 90's but definitely had never listened to on Spotify. It was almost scary... but was also a fantastic nostalgic playlist.
alvin lai
alvin lai 16 күн мурун
"I am the kind of person that will listen to the same two chords back to back" For the longest time, I thought I am the only person who does this.
jon scott
jon scott 16 күн мурун
it's just algos.
Would Smith
Would Smith 17 күн мурун
Thanks for sandwich music recommendations.
Jason Shinigami
Jason Shinigami 17 күн мурун
I would like Rick to react to k pop, j pop and j rock Spotify playlists.
Caio Marquez Chaves
Caio Marquez Chaves 17 күн мурун
analise some frank ocean music
Joel Remiel
Joel Remiel 17 күн мурун
I don’t really give the “made for you” playlists on any platform the time of day. It could be I don’t listen to songs long enough to discover something interesting or new, but almost always, an artist that is considered similar to the artist I love, by the algorithm, does not have that x-factor that makes them special to me.
withershin 17 күн мурун
We were just talking about this... don't miss that beat.
a gate for ghosts
a gate for ghosts 17 күн мурун
I don't know if this is the right point or not but I think it's funny that rap seems to make Rick hungry
Dale Kay
Dale Kay 17 күн мурун
A lot of these could be included in a series called "What makes this song trash"...
Brax1982 17 күн мурун
Analysing chord progressions? Giving it too much credit, perhaps. It's far more likely that Spotify groups genres and artists based on what people listen to at the same time, suggesting them on the same basis on which they create the mixtapes. It's less mining your personal data than it's mining the whole database, I'd imagine. Fairly certain they are checking out your other apps and visited sites, as well. More than once I got something recommended on YT that I was checking out on Spotify and vice versa. The Weekly Mix has given me great things, but sometimes it is completely the other way around and every song is just awful...because I listened to a couple things that fall into the same grouping, possibly not liking those, either.
Mech G.Cozzi
Mech G.Cozzi 17 күн мурун
Oh I try. Believe me I try. You gotta be open minded and all... yes but, no. I just can’t do this. Rick says “wow” and “I like it” maybe he’s also trying. Dunno. I can’t listen to any of this, I’m too old, I am 43. This all sounds to me like some washing machines trying to flirt, playing with their cycles: rinse-spin-rinse-rinse yeah baby... etc. I’ll see myself out...
Taylor Made
Taylor Made 17 күн мурун
i really hope your joking Rick..........this is aweful
OGGOAT_ _ 18 күн мурун
Trap music is so annoying
Noneya Bidness
Noneya Bidness 18 күн мурун
Spotify has never gotten it right when they give me a recommendation
astera 18 күн мурун
This was a really interesting video. Personally I've found that Spotify doesn't give me the best recommendations for new music. When I had Amazon Prime, I got some of my best recommendations from there, to the point that I added new bands to my repertoire, not just new songs. Until about last summer, regular old KGglobal would also give me pretty good recommendations - the algorithm would keep pushing videos in my feed that I would ignore for weeks until I finally gave in and listened, then end up absolutely loving the song. The recommendations aren't as good lately, but that could either be a blip or maybe I'm not in the mood for new stuff at the moment. Now I wonder if KGglobal and Amazon give me better recommendations because they know me better or do they have more sophisticated algorithms? I mean, I know google has some pretty good AI work going into theirs. Or perhaps the service that gives the best recommendations depends on the individual in question? It's just funny to me that in my case, the service that's just music was the weakest for recommending me new material. I feel like Spotify's algorithm is quite superficial and when you see a recommendation, you can immediately tell where it came from, like if you listened to a certain song, or band or genre, it would recommend more of that. Amazon's and KGglobal's recommendations were more nuanced and sometimes quite surprising, not at all obvious. At times I'd be confused why I was recommended a song because it wouldn't connect to anything else I'd listened to, but it'd end up being great. Anyway, this was a great idea for a video Rick and I'd love to see you do the same for various other music services. Maybe have a big roundup video at the end comparing them all.
TheEleatic 18 күн мурун
Crap Hop---as in sonic feces.
Tom Armstrong
Tom Armstrong 18 күн мурун
I’m not so sure the algo is as sophisticated as to know your chord progression interests. I think it’s more quantitative than that. My recommendations are way off my preferences.
Lauri Saarinen
Lauri Saarinen 18 күн мурун
For me pretty much the *pinnacle of hip hop* is Stankonia by OutKast, a year 2000 album by a group from Atlanta so... Yeah, i'd be surprised if Rick didn't know something about hip hop! 😄
Randy King
Randy King 18 күн мурун
When is Rick going to do a video about making Sandwiches!?!?! The Algorithm thing is fascinating.
bossfan49 17 күн мурун
Binging with Beato
trsidn 18 күн мурун
how do we report an advertisement that is completely bonkers?
Johnny Croy
Johnny Croy 18 күн мурун
Just because I’ve listened to it... doesn’t mean I like it? Ha. There are various reason to listen, I’m not a machine. How about using listener suggestions? Other people are where we discover the best music.
Damned Eyez
Damned Eyez 18 күн мурун
"We were just talking about jump around" kind of reminds me of back when people started noticing ads based on conversations...and some apps allegedly using the phone mic to gather data.
32rush 18 күн мурун
rick listening to tech house is cringe
YoStefan 18 күн мурун
Lol the track about bending her on the counter
Phil Davison
Phil Davison 18 күн мурун
I got recommended a track recorded by a friend of mine who I didn't know had done much solo stuff. I hadn't listened to any of his material on Spotify but there it was. Worst of this sort of thing was years ago when I was listening to Jan Akkerman on Last FM so it recommended "Una Paloma Blanca" by the George Baker Selection because they're both Dutch.
周狒狒 19 күн мурун
Can you recommend some books on ecclesiastical mode?thanks~
Vienna Kwan
Vienna Kwan 19 күн мурун
Can you react to both of harry style’s album?
bemersonbakebarmen 19 күн мурун
Old Person: your music sucks Young Person: you dont get It None of you are original. This has been like that since music was invented
bemersonbakebarmen 19 күн мурун
Spotify has the same algorythm as every Social Network. Its an echochamber that prevents you to diversify and expand your tastes. Algorythm = Comfort Zone.
bemersonbakebarmen 19 күн мурун
The alorythm just recomends what you have heared before. Then It loops so you get draw more and more into one genre
Peter T
Peter T 19 күн мурун
Rick, IMHO I’m thinking that you are giving spotify too much credit by saying they know what chord changes you like. Maybe these chord changes/ structure are similar due to the same writer or producer. Or mood that the songs have (affected by structure no doubt). I have been led to believe mood is big with these algorithms. These selections that spotify/tidal gives brought to my attention how much trevor horn produced music i have enjoyed over the years without knowing it or making that connection myself.
DRiley 19 күн мурун
"I've been living in Atlanta for 27 years!" Nobody lives in Atlanta. They get stuck in traffic and never leave.
John Nycto
John Nycto 19 күн мурун
What do you know, KGglobal is recommending your Kelly Clarkson video!
Chris Goodwin
Chris Goodwin 19 күн мурун
Because of Rick's videos, I have made a concerted effort to listen to newer music and find things I enjoy, but out of all these tracks, I only liked the Bruno Mars song and Jump Around. I guess it's back to my 90s grunge playlist on Pandora 😉
El Recreo Sinopsis
El Recreo Sinopsis 19 күн мурун
I saw one of your videos where you say that the music business was over (for most musicians), I am a musician since school days, now I’m 59 and I make a living as an Architect and builder, I don’t take many jobs, just enough to pay the bills, the rest of my time I write songs and record them in a small studio I own. I work alone, I play everything and sing as well, and I have upload all my records (about 20) in Spotify via CDbaby. Thanks to the pandemic I did 4 records in 2020 and I will do 4 more this year. The question is: How can I make people to listen to my songs, without having to turn myself in a social media expert. I’m a one-man band called “Santos Ateos” my songs are in Spanish, (but I did 4 records in English years ago). Since I’m not in this for the money I have been experiment a bit with my songs, in the last 6 records, using a lot of alternative tuning and spider capos etc. trying to make the perfect pop song… well that’s it really. Any advice? Thank, and by the way, your channel is addictive.
bossfan49 17 күн мурун
@El Recreo Sinopsis I understand. I used to be on facebook, but haven't been for about 5 years. I have a lot of friends who are gigging musicians, a few of them make records. Facebook (although not considered as "cool" or "hip" as Twitter or Instagram) is very useful for getting the word out. It's very easy to use. KGglobal as you can see is invaluable and also easy to use.
El Recreo Sinopsis
El Recreo Sinopsis 17 күн мурун
@bossfan49 Thanks very much for your advice. In the last 5 records, I've been working in the studio as if a was a scientist doing experiments. Never trying to do a hit, just having fun and experimenting. Because of the pandemic and the lock-downs, I been in a sabbatical since march 2020, that is why in 2020 I publish 4 records, lots of time lock down in the studio. Everybody say to me "you got to do social media", and all that, but I´m not into that stuff, I find it so, so boring. But still, I do very poorly in Spotify, so maybe I should get to the social media...
bossfan49 17 күн мурун
My advice would probably be the opposite of what Rick would say. I would say don't try to write a hit song. Just write a good song, and honest song from heart.
Nate Sylvester
Nate Sylvester 19 күн мурун
Serious question about Spotify: Why is it - for me, at any rate - its algorithms suggest songs by artists I'm already familiar with? One time I was listen to a few of my fave UK punk bands (EG: The Clash, Stiff Little fingers, Wire, etc) and Spotify just made suggestions of music I already own, even tho' I was hoping for suggestions. Hell, even the suggestions offered were already in my phone's iTunes library? Discuss, please BTW: Doesn't Givion's voice and delivery remind you of Teddy Pendergrass?
BachRock The America Hater's Antagonist
BachRock The America Hater's Antagonist 19 күн мурун
Jump Around, North Carolina🏀
Richard Moroni
Richard Moroni 19 күн мурун
yeah i don't think you really listen to this junk you are just a nice guy and you dont want to come across as a negativist. kunk or junk?
Daisy Rothschild
Daisy Rothschild 19 күн мурун
A sus chord ?? -- "Are you serious?" haha
Patti Clark
Patti Clark 19 күн мурун
Really liked the Giveon song. I love the instrumentation and the vocals.
Paul Atkin
Paul Atkin 19 күн мурун
Am I the only person who finds that hip hop 'music' makes me feel angry? I simply can't listen to it at all. Whatt the hell happened to black music? No one sings any more, probably because they can't sing. We'll never hear another Otis. Stevie, Marvin, Sam or Dave. Rick, why you giving ear space to this kind of stuff? I long for the (unlikely) return of musicians and vocalists who can actually sing.
Jonas 19 күн мурун
what, baby powder is plastic love isn't it? edit: not plastic love mb, but another japanese tune edit2: its anri last summer whisper whats the point of copying the track just to change the lyrics and release it as if you made a song
remote control
remote control 19 күн мурун
The grooves might be ok, but all the vocals are all meh. I hear much better vocalists coming from Church choirs.
Jonp 19 күн мурун
I feel bad for actual creators of rhythms that studied the form. You know, actual drummers and percussionists.
dman030 19 күн мурун
And not a single new rock song was heard that day.......
dman030 19 күн мурун
the algos suck, they just push you to one hit not even wonders. all garbage that sounds the same.
Reliz 19 күн мурун
yo wtf baby powder is just completely sampled from the japanese song "last summer whisper" by Anri
Reliz 19 күн мурун
and I think the japanese version is way better ngl
BaronFandango 19 күн мурун
Hey Rick, have you ever been recommended any Chris Rea on Spotify? Steel River is a song I think you would enjoy
Sam Rosenberg
Sam Rosenberg 20 күн мурун
Algorithms are also based on what music you’ve liked rick so it depends as to whether you like songs when you listen to them
Gwop Talk
Gwop Talk 20 күн мурун
I’m only 17 years old and I don’t know why but it’s so hard for me to be as open minded as Rick... I feel like a boomer and idk how to fix it lol
j e tobey
j e tobey 20 күн мурун
I am an old hippie and grew up on real blues (shellac "race" records), big bands, a la Dorseys, and early jazz, including 'Dixieland,' and I subscribe to no programmed music. I usually can find what I like here on YT. I am one of those "old farts" who believes that, with a very few exceptions, music went to hell at around the end of 1993. I doubt that anyone has bothered to figure out an algoriithm for me on anything. Even what comes up when I click on YT is , by most peoples' standards,( YT's algorithms) a weird mix of music and topics. But then, my contemporaries referred to me as "the renaissance barbarian" [tm].( Yes, I bought that domain name, across the "website world of domains." )
j e tobey
j e tobey 18 күн мурун
@bemersonbakebarmen I laughed at the first sentence !! 75 yoa, but i have had to adapt to tech ( setting up a Patreon page/channel) ; just not in music. But, I do rely on the thousands of songs on my Ipod Video for portable music, plus 5 movies with 50 gigs of space to go.Tweak an algorithim, and name the provider "Boomerfy" and i am onto it. It was friends and contemporaries who assigned me that descriptive nickname. In my life, I earned the appellation. You are spot on.
bemersonbakebarmen 19 күн мурун
You really need all those words to say you are a Boomer? Why would anyone make an algorythm for a demographic that suposedly doesnt cares about modern tech. Im sorry but It doesnt make sense from a bussiness perspective.
BassBaseBerlin 20 күн мурун
Well I'd really love to know how "deep" the algorithms go "into the music" ... what "attributes" they use. I'm not sure if the "algorithm" can find out things like "chord progressions" - or for me it would be "cool riffs" ... think this is too much. But I would expect them to use neuronal networks (AI) to get connections between all likes and saves and playtime from all users - and maybe basic music analysis on the material. From my experience the recommendations are more based on "what I heard" and not "what I like to hear". Example: Heard a great song on the radio, searched that song --> album and when this album was finished I heard a really great playlist of songs I mostly didn't know but really caught me ... but the basis was the album I listend to. So ... no idea what they are doing. But at least for spotify I can confirm that I learned to know so much new cool music that I'm happy with this service. Thanks a lot, Rick, for this cool video - just the idea of thinking about this and comparing to other services is great!
Ben Craig
Ben Craig 20 күн мурун
Spotify seems to think that me liking Kero Kero Bonito automatically means I like Harry Styles
Oside3000 20 күн мурун
I feel like Rick gives me permission to like the occasional pop song.
Star Lord
Star Lord 20 күн мурун
For real 16:19 i'm not very picky listener either and i play musical instruments so i have pretty good hearing, but this intro was crazy. When im looking for a new songs it usually takes me around 10 sec to decide if i continue listening or skip and i would have definitely skipped this one. Also new subscriber, loving your channel so far :)
Dave_guitar_sunrise 20 күн мурун
Discover weekly is the best imo
MILAS Thing 20 күн мурун
theyve never gotten my taste once
Matt T
Matt T 20 күн мурун
Id really love to see a video about your opinions on musicians who started as or primarily operate as youtubers
Jimmy Grant
Jimmy Grant 20 күн мурун
Cool information. Thanks Rick
Luke Rossi
Luke Rossi 20 күн мурун
Rick bobbing his head to Jump Around made my day
Paul Ess
Paul Ess 20 күн мурун
What a toilet lot of songs!
man0s 20 күн мурун
KGglobal Premium is underrated!
Gil Hockman
Gil Hockman 20 күн мурун
From what I understand, Spotify uses AI analysis of user playlists and the actual audio of each track to create a map of music tastes where music is grouped together in terms of style but also in terms of popularity (I think of it like a 3D land map with mountains, valley, etc.). I have heard that Spotify feeds it's AI user-made playlists with songs missing and asks the AI to guess the missing songs. It also analyses each track that is uploaded which is why it is a great idea to get your music to Spotify at least two weeks before release date to give the system time to analyse and place your music. Spotify will also recommend music based on the popularity of tracks that you listen to. So if you only listen to smaller artists you are less likely to get recommended more popular artists.
M 20 күн мурун
16:04 This bassline was my favorite part of all the tracks shown. I'm getting more and more bored of 4 to the floor, but when you got the bassline that brings the right amount of syncopation to the table, it can sound great. Thet extra kick thrown in made you go ''Ooh'', that's the nice thing about when stuff really hits on every beat, when it either doesn't or it does something alongside it it's a huge effect. Also, bassy plucks/wubs, classic house drum kits and pitched down vocal chops can just sound so cool with simple and tight drum patterns, with stuff like phrygian or chromatics etc. to bring the stank. And I feel you on the intro, it's a really cool effect to only have the upper structures in the into etc., then the lower structures come in and you're like ''ohh damn'', that sorta stuff, but first impressions can be a lot worse. I do like thinking more about the pay-out for people who stick around to listen, but I do usually like to get to the meat of my track really quite quickly, sometimes not even a bar goes by and we're in, can always leave that other stuff for later in the track, when you may really want something to spice things up anyway, now it's context is established and it feels great both going into it and out of it back into the groove. If the bassline is the main draw, like it is here, I sometimes like to have a high-passed version of it, or having it play on a different instrument etc., just as a little preview to set the expectations and give context so everything immediately clicks when it matters most, it enhances the hype of the buildup cause you know what you're waiting for, here I was kinda thinking it was gonna be a bassy kick on one note with the brassy synth melody on top. Depends of course, I like to get a lot crazier with intos sometimes, with their own harmony and everything. With house there's seperate club-mixes that intentionally leave out much harmonic meaning etc. though, cause they mix together smoothly with the previous track, maybe some pentatonics or just some fifth/single note etc., starting out with ONLY drums in many cases, people got attached to it and started putting it in regular mixes. It has an appeal, but it does sometimes test my patience, I prefer shortened versions of it for mixes other than ones for the club.
EricB256 20 күн мурун
Do you think the algorithm has got a "big label" bias by now? This Sidepiece thing sounds like it could be a late 90s/ early 00s House Music track. I have tried to not go the algorithm route just yet for my new music discovery. But older methods seem to be fading away at the time. So how long do you think it would take to feed the algorithms enough data so they actually deliver interesting new discoveries?
Mr Jazzhole
Mr Jazzhole 20 күн мурун
I have an alternate channel that KGglobal believes is a black girl. I'm a White man, but I'm constantly being recommended videos about Black womens hair styles and black female celebrities. This happens because I listen to a lot of old soul and R&B music on that channel.
Spek &Bonen
Spek &Bonen 20 күн мурун
I get suggested a lot of bands which have "featuring DJ XYZ" or some other name which is similar to other band names in my playlists. They need to make sure that uploads are categorized properly. They should also allow users to make selections of which types of music show up in lists (suggested or otherwise) And really, if I tell spotify I don't like an artist, don't feed it again.... and again... and again....
Neverwrong039 21 күн мурун
I would love to see Rick react to TPAB by Kendrick Lamar
Unmitigated Gall
Unmitigated Gall 21 күн мурун
I refuse to use streaming services after seeing how little they pay musicians. You get like a penny every 300 plays. Almost nothing. ASCAP and BMI are useless.
neeN 21 күн мурун
When you talked about the way they used autotune in the song around 10:00 the song kinda reminded me of the way vocaloid sounds in some songs. Have you ever used such programs yourself or listened to songs utilising it?
David Ryan
David Ryan 21 күн мурун
I kept expecting “making a sandwich” was a euphemism for “rolling a blunt”. I’d be happy with the sandwich mind you. The joys of growing older in the music industry 😂
Tommy Rider
Tommy Rider 21 күн мурун
Your white hair is cool dude! Never change.
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